This flowchart assists in line selection for the current patch. Use it as guidance for what popular comps you should play when you have certain early conditions. The conditions provided for each line are recommended for the comp to perform as well as its tier suggests.
Only the most popular lines for the patch are included here. Use the tier list to see all available lines on a patch, including the strongest lines with specific artifacts, emblems, augments, or other uncommon conditions.
- Fast 9 is quite popular. Prioritize econ augments on 2-1. Double econ is ideal as it maximizes probability of hitting and Zac can use the additional econ.
These are the lines you should play in most games if provided attack damage (AD) items. Conditions are recommended, but not mandatory.
Jax
Morgana
Jhin
Shyvana
Mordekaiser
Kog'Maw
Vi
LeBlanc
Draven
Galio
These are the lines you should play in most games if provided ability power (AP) items. Conditions are recommended, but not mandatory.
new page looks sexy :>
Havent play in like 3 months. Like the old look of the page better ;c
You’re honestly the goat, thank you for putting the time and effort in, appreciate ya Blue
Appreciate it mate — sorry I had to remove the word after goat (I try to keep comments relatively clean haha, but I love the sentiment)
Just looked at your conditions page and what can I say, it’s perfection. It achieves what the old interface did successfully, but it is miles more elevated. Amazing job. Looking at the site now, I genuinely don’t think people have a right to complain anymore because there’s a menu for everyone that fits their preferences.
I do wonder, though, if the tier-list tab, which probably took you so much time, work, and effort, has been completely overshadowed and rendered obsolete with the introduction of the conditions page. If you want my personal feedback, I think it’s too convoluted and a bit, dare I say, purposeless? Take the Urgot Fast 9 comp for example. Is it really necessary to show it 5 different times on the tier list as OP, S+, S, A etc., based on the conditions you meet? The thing is, in TFT, you don’t load in having decided to play Urgot, and then evaluating how good the game will go based on what augments and portals you’re seeing. It’s the other way around. I might see a Flickerbade first, and THEN ask myself what’s best with this? I might see a prismatic Econ augment first, and THEN I ask myself where this can lead me. And this is why the conditions page is so perfect, it follows the same order of decision making you experience in game, situation/condition —–> question/decision making——-> final board. So then I wonder, in what situation would I ever be to want to be in the tier list tab at any point of my gaming experience when your other 2 pages fulfill all their purposes so perfectly: you show us the STANDARD COMPS which we can read the meta from (so if I queue up on a new patch, I know what I should be angling if I want to top 4), while the conditions page provides the more NICHE and UNIQUE cases when we are offered emblems, hero augments, radiants etc etc. I say all this to say that, maybe you are investing too much energy in a page that isn’t really necessary. Your “Strong Conditions” tab under each comp that shows which augments make the tiers move was more than enough? Like for example, you list “Vertical Anima Squad” as S+ tier with Little Buddies on your tier list. But I’m never gonna be in a position where I learn this from the tier list. I would open the conditions page, it would show me that my opener leads me to Anima Squad, and inside the comp’s info, I would find out that Little Buddies is OP with it and pushes it from B to OP, etc.
Am I making any sense? Sorry, English is not my first language and I don’t think I’ll be able to explain what I’m trying to say any better, but TLDR: if it’s taking too much of your time, maybe consider not investing more energy into it? I’m not claiming it’s ruining the site by any means — I’m just trying to look out for you in a way lol cause I don’t want you to overexhaust yourself and I’m basically trying to say that your site has genuinely reached its peak, and all the information one needs to learn the comps ihas beeen perfectly balanced between the home page and your new conditions tab. If the tier list is something that gets automatically created from all the information you input on the other tabs, and it doesn’t take much of your time, then ignore my message lol, I am not well-versed in IT/tech stuff whatsoever. If that’s the case, maybe consider making it less convoluted? A comp doesn’t need to appear 5 different times in 5 different tiers because it starts becoming visually noisy. Or maybe reduce the number of tiers. 1 tier for broken interactions like Blightning Jewel Morgana (and then do not repeat the comp again in B tier without said item because we will already know it’s the condition that made it S+), 1 tier for very good interactions, and 1 tier for just okay interactions. This current version is too detailed and as much as it tries to be helpful, it begins going the opposite direction, confusing you and even tiring you in the process. Anyway, I apologise again for the very long comment, I just appreciate your work so much that if my feedback helps you in any way, then I’m happy. Congrats on all your sucess regardless, this site will only get bigger and bigger with time I guarantee you <3
First of all, I appreciate you taking the time to write this since I am sure it took a while. Here’s the thing: The tier list and home page were designed because they are, by far, the CLOSEST representation of how a Challenger approaches the game. Nothing is closer.
So many people fail to understand the biggest value the tier list provides, although it will become easier to understand over time: You can INSTANTLY learn the best lines for the patch. You don’t need to press a filter. Or search anything. The most broken tiers are the easiest to read. You’re not “supposed to” scroll down to A-tier without filters where it starts getting noisy because there is no point in memorizing the A-tier lines before you memorize the S, S+, and OP lines. If you want to become a great player, you should have the top 3 tiers MEMORIZED. Now I don’t expect my average user to do that, but I wanted to provide the ONLY study tool on the market that high level players can actually use to learn the niche aspects of the meta.
The 7 tiers were not chosen at random, either. 7 is a number that came about after MANY hours thinking about the smallest interval that Challengers reasonably perceive as a “meaningful” or “material” difference. The answer I came to was 7. Any fewer tiers and the gap between comps becomes too big to accurately rank them. Any more tiers and the differences become too small to actually be meaningful. The tier list MUST exist to provide context to the 7 tier system.
I agree with you that many people will prefer the condition page, and I have no issue with that. There is no time investment anymore to maintain either of these pages — both are created procedurally using the same data pipeline. It is that data pipeline that took the most months to develop, although the design for the tier list page obviously took quite a bit longer than the condition page! Anyway, I don’t mind what people use as long as they are getting the info they need in a way that makes sense to them.
EDIT: Also, the tier list has a ton of power user functionality that no one is touching yet that will become apparent in value over time. The search functionality is far more advanced than most people are using it for. You can put multiple artifact options from your anvil in and see the best line. You can compare augments instantly. You can also search composite conditions — For example, let’s say you have “Manazane” AND “Innervating Locket” — What can you play? If you search this in the tier list, it will create a brand new combo comp card that combines the conditions, bringing Gorilla Reroll to “OP”. There are random possibilities that are still relatively unexplored since no one is a tier list “power user” yet.
Oh wow, that feature is so cool. Do you plan on releasing a video explaining all the different ways in which we can utilise the filters? Because after reading your reply, you’re absolutely right, most people probably don’t have any clue how to use the tiers tab to its full potential atm. So yeah, if all the different options are explained, that would be ideal.
Speaking of features, I did want to ask, is there a way to FILTER OUT/EXCLUDE conditions? As in, if I want to see all the artifact lines, I click the artifact icon — but what if I want to see all the lines WITHOUT artifacts? Is that possible in this current version?
The redesign sucks
Did not visit site for nearly a month since i used other websites(I did not like the looks of site before, it was not that pretty) – so i dont remember exactly how it was but i really like tierlist/conditions pages very much. Mindblowing good job for you, GM Blue. It is so good.
Especially conditions – it is so clear to look for anything that you NEED to know without spending your time for hours on stats sites. So i am definetelly going to use tftflow for next set. It is really good!
What i dont like – is main page. IDK what about it that i dont like. I just dont feel it provides any usefull information. It just lists meta comp and that s it.
Appreciate the kind words and I hope you enjoy the condition portions of the site!
The main page’s purpose is to tell you the most important information about the patch: The best opening conditions and the most consistent lines. You can almost argue it’s a “forceable” tier list. Anything that is rated highly on the home page can and should take up most of your match history. If it isn’t, you’re probably playing “wrong”. That’s the goal of this page — to make sure you load into a game and know what you SHOULD be angling every game. For this patch, you need a good reason to not play Urgot, Cypher, Zeri, or Dynamo.
If you are familiar with the meta, you’ll get more value out of the tier list / condition pages where you’ll learn the more conditional knowledge of the meta. And that’s fine — I belong in that category. I don’t need the home page at all, but that’s because I know every patch. You’re probably the same. It’s just a quick way to know the patch.
Website is unusable now, way too slow to swap between pages and evaluate multiple lines at once, welp back to tft acedemy. shame though since your take on the game is better.
Just use the new conditions page that I made specifically for people who can’t adopt the new setup — It’s structured almost exactly the same way the old list view was except better because now you can filter for tier. You don’t need any other pages if you are sticking to the old way of using the website.
Maybe I’m dumb and clueless but is their a list view? everything is too big and clunky, if theres a compressed list view like before then its manageable.
If the conditions page is not suitable for you, then nothing on the site will be unfortunately and it is what it is. There are 30 more artifact lines added to the site since the old layout. The old “compressed” list view would not look so compressed anymore with 30 lines added to it (50% bigger than it already was). Radiants were added. The number of augment lines went up from 37 to 86, over 2x increase. The new list view is mandatory to support the increase of information, and the increase of information is mandatory because I was forced to omit conditions in the past because the old layout couldn’t handle anymore.
This list format is easily filterable — you can filter for only artifacts, or only emblems, or only hero augments just like before. Brand new is the fact you can adjust the minimum tier so you can ignore “garbage” lines. You can just CTRL + F to find any item and augment instantly on that page. I honestly struggle to see how the conditions page (NOT the tier list OR this flowchart page) is harder to use than the original list view other than maybe the existence of the descriptions. I could add a toggle that hides descriptions, but that will have to wait until tomorrow.
Worked all day today to finish up the “replacement” for the old layout: Introducing the conditions page! Since it was made in about 48 hours, it might have some kinks and bugs. But I think this really helps flesh out the website. Also, tooltips on the website now include a list of all comps that the condition is strong for. Enjoy!
Just wanted to let you know that at first I also preferred the older flowchart version mainly because I was super used to it, but the tier list with the search option makes it better to judge which line to go, and directly compare the possible comps, since there are more tiers. I also like that I can enter multiple conditions that I have and see just the comps that use said conditions compared to each other. For example, if I had two conditions and they were both a “red” or “S” comp in the previous flowchart, it was harder to understand which one was more “meta”/better. So that’s a very good improvement from my perspective, and makes it easier to judge which line to go when in doubt between 2 or more options
Damn this was my favorite page now i cant find anything 🙁
Hi all,
Okay — I’ve read your comments over the past 2 days and I want to provide my general thoughts so far. First, thank you for anyone who wrote constructive criticism that helped me understand why the older format was better suited for you. The old format cannot come back (it uses a library that is too inflexible), but I can build an alternative that is close enough. I’ve boiled your criticisms down to the following points:
The old format excelled at ease of navigation and answering one question: I have this condition, what can I do? It really couldn’t answer questions like “What are the best lines this patch” easily and it wasn’t even that great at comparing conditions (e.g: “Is this artifact better than this artifact?”). But I understand that because it was so good at answering that first question that the new tier list feels like a loss to the website.
[Unique – only 1 per champion]
OP
S
S
A
A
B
B
B
So I’ve designed this — a way to see all comps that an item, augment, opener, or custom entity is a condition for. It’s in the list format that you are used to from the old website. I intend to create a page that has all of these listed in one place, separated into tabs like you are used to with Artifacts, Radiants, Emblems, Openers, Augments, etc. It won’t be the old flowchart format, but it will be the list format that many of you used before. You’ll be able to use CTRL + F like you were used to, you’ll be able to just scroll like you used to, and you’ll be able to click tabs to navigate to the condition type you currently have.
It’s going to take me a bit of time to finish this. We are entering the PBE cycle and I need to keep the site updated for Set 15 which is a big task. I’m also honestly a little drained of developing because of how long the tier list project took. But I do hear your criticisms and want you to know it hasn’t fallen on deaf ears. Appreciate the patience in the meanwhile.
I’ve never seen anyone in gaming or tech make such a dope product and at the same time have a positive attitude about the way their users engage with the product. You’re absolutely within your right to say we’re just using it wrong
Amazing work! Takes some time to get used to but the design is perfect.
Why change the “flows”. It was the only thing that made you special and way more clear!
I’m going to push back on this slightly — What makes this website special is the fact it focuses on conditions instead of comps by themselves. It is a manual curation of the best conditions in the meta without requiring you to use the explorer of statistics websites. No one else focuses on that to the extent this website does. And I genuinely believe no other website is faster for learning the best conditions in the meta, which brings us to your question: Why change the flows?
Before now, you couldn’t learn the best conditions in the meta on the website quickly. There was 6 different tabs and the 3 tier system did not sufficiently delineate the true strength between lines. Even if the old flowchart adopted the 7-tier system (which would lose a TON of visual clarity in the old format with the new colors), you’d still be hunting through 6+ different tabs to learn the following:
You might be thinking — well that’s only really 3 tabs. Not bad, I was already doing that before and never complained! But to know that it was only 3 tabs, you’d have to check all 6 tabs and scroll through their entire contents. Only the most engaged users would do this, so the majority of users would never know what the best lines are for the meta.
And here’s another thing: The tier list currently holds 211 conditions. The flowchart held 148 conditions with the artifact and augment tabs starting to get a bit messy. I had to artificially keep the number of conditions lower just to keep the “visual clarity” that most people love about the old format. Optimistically you could argue that the old format was more “curated”, but I can tell you that’s not the truth. There were conditions I wanted to add, but couldn’t due to reaching a space limit.
I think a lot of this will become more obvious when I provide the list page that I think older site users want. It should round out the experience for finding the best conditions for each comp, allowing any method of searching work. It will be very similar to the list view — see the picture in my comment above. I am hoping this should be helpful for those of you who are more attached to the old format.
Dope, I dig the new site
I liked the old layout better.
Wow, really great work Boss, love the new look
Incredible job! I love this
I appreciate the changes. A couple days navigating the site and ill get used to it. Im assume the search bar is the main way to find the comps we want?
Yeah the search bar and personally I found myself frequently clicking on icons and comp names inside the tier list. It’s a fast shortcut that will filter for only that comp or filter only for that condition. I’ll make a video guide for it soon, but I want to make sure any bugs are dealt with first.
This site is a lot harder to navigate for things like artifact or emblem conditions than the old one
could u pls bring old theme . with this one im about to change my fav comp site
Unfortunately, no. I appreciate the time you used the site, and eventually there should be pages that closer align to the original layout if you find yourself unable to adopt the new one. But it will be some time until then because we are about to enter the Set 15 PBE and launch cycle, so I will have way less time to develop in the next few weeks.